Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. He says he never saw what happened to Bella because he was downstairs. Im wondering if he had bipolar. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. No. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. He continuously maintained throughout the entire interrogation that he would never hurt those kids. ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. I think he snapped, pulled her off of Cece punched her in the face to knock her out and then strangled her with one hand. what was the deal with the blue gloves next to the bed??? Chris Watts strangled and smothered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, to death, before strangling their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, with a blanket in 2018. So the agent says what about strangling? She was relatively YOUNG. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. The basement had everything in plastic bins all labeled & neatly stacked. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? Chris Watts. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. Remember Nickols son found her cell phone in-between the cushions of the upstairs couch. Nick, have any of her docs said she had clinical OCD? Did she even go upstairs to sleep? Thats why no defense wounds. Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. > Most do not, really? ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? He said those were consistent with trying to flee while being smothered. Completely empty stomach contents doesnt necessarily indicate they died when Shanann died. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. This dog did not find any place of interest (both seemed to be keen on searching by the basement bed) *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. He was photographed head to toe upon booking & was found to have no offensive wounds on him anywhere. They obviously didnt watch the K9 body cam footage! I think he would have come up with a better plan as to where he would bury them. Page 535 If youre not OCD, it doesnt mean Shanann wasnt. I find it odd that Shanann was wearing a bra when found. The HORRIFIC, worse than most of us originally thought truth; Bella and Cece were ALIVE on the drive, Bella even commented on the smell of her mothers body on the floor under their feet in the back seat because her bowels had evacuated when she died; its horrific to know that he dumped those little girls, unconscious but still alive out of fear that they would wake up again and the disgusting coward and monster that he is- he said he was FURIOUS that they somehow woke up after he thought hed killed them in thier beds. LEE: Depends on sometime we find saliva, large amount of saliva, nasal secretion, mixed with small amount of blood on the pillow. Even with Bella, no screaming brain said , this is your Bella!! Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. Her friend had to tiptoe around the place when she stayed over for fear of waking the kids up. While I agree MLM is 100% a pyramid scheme and bad news and that the long term use of their products probably do more harm than good (e.g. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. Hes asked whether Shannan was strangling CeCe or smothering her, at first he says strangling because this is the only thing that makes his story believable but afterwards he knows theyll be no marks so he says hes not sure. Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. Areas of bruising, internal. Ive been on those late flight arrivals often. In fact, its not just the muscles but also the gas produced inside your body following death that will cause peeing and pooping. I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. And of course she loved her children, and she was a great mom. Not on his hands around her throat? Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. Your thoughts? https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/e/esophageal-strictures, a medical history significant for peanut allergies. I am not saying he touched the purse. Any attacking motion he made that Shanann saw, even for a second, would have prompted her to scream. So when he pulls her off theres not one last gasping breath, she dies at that exact moment and theres nothing Chris can do but kill Shannan!!!! This whole thing is terrible. Shanann was in there with her on top of her. Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. Shannan wasnt answering phone calls or text and missed her doctors appointment. And, as you point out in one of your replies to anothers comment about the oil in her body, there was no oil in her lungs, in her stomach yes, in her lungs no. I lived with one. Chris only saw things with one lense. If he did it he would have killed in the same manner of death which would have been strangulation not smothering. Just a suggestion. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. Under anaerobic conditions (absence of free oxygen) acids such as lactic acid, acetic acid and butyric acid are produced during decomposition, as well as a number of alcohols which include butyl alcohol, ethyl alcohol and acetone. Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. But youre not thinking any further than that. But thats me. Ive never personally had a child repeatedly behave as the girls did, and pleasea disclaimer here. He said he was downstairs, came back up and they were gone. He didnt flip. One of the predatory marketing techniques used by MLMs (which overwhelmingly target MOMs) is that they can be at home *with* their children, making extra money with little effort. I wondered what became of the gas can. Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. But then I think if he didnt was he going to leave them at home alone all day? Makes sense since Shanann has zero marks indicating a struggle, I thought from the jump that she wasnt even awake when he killed her. Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? He didnt know what to do and was shaking. Then he asks to talk to his dad. Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? Also ethanol in the oil would not seep into the spleen in a body in 3 days to produce a high level like that, besides most ethanol is extracted through many processes prior to any petroleum company dumping the waste oil. Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. 2. 2. A history of this procedure could easily go unnoticed during an autopsy. I actually have been turned upside down by this murder, and through watching over 42 hours of video, have grown to love and admire Shannan! In the autopsy Shannan was found to be still wearing a bra. Do you think Shanann was the type of person to leave her suitcase downstairs and just go to bed? It could be all the thrive he was taking. I dont think she ever went into the master bedroom that night. Just kind of odd. Chris said Shanann arrived home from a trip. Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. He really thought he could get away with this? I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to smothering. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. CW said he was not a monster because in his opinion he killed them humanely. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. Amy thoughts on her? Believe meeven the worst of the worst, hardened criminals do NOT like baby killers.they WILL do to him what he did to his babiesjust a matter of time one of those inmates having NOTHING to lose, lifetime sentences.CW is NOT going to live long once hes let out of his isolated cageGuards will make sure a door gets left open, backs turnedthey HATE baby killers toowe all do. Nor did any part of whats left of a moral consciousness scream what are you doing?!!! I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. Utter Rubbish! Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. A . Does this mean Bella was still alive when she was dropped into the tank? And did you mention that the 6 weeks Shannan was in NC with her girls that your Hero Chris Watts was enjoying 6 weeks of being single with his girlfriend, and that was the turning point in their marriage? That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. He had only a few friends. 1. Like someone took over his body. They were out of town and it was still spotless. All those purchases, that expensive leased SUV that LeVel would only give her a car allowance for if she kept her sales up, the expensive preschool, the too-big house with all the fancy furnishings, several closets full of expensive shoes-shoes-shoes (yet she wore the same pair of flipflops every day), multiple purses, more clothes than one person could possibly be using, on and on and on. If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. Nick Van Der Leek is the owner of this site and you are invited to comment, which is a privilege and we should be grateful. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! I remember reading as part of the Scott Peterson murder investigation that they found traces of fecal matter in the carpet (which had been cleaned) in a downstairs hallway, I think, but I just looked around and couldnt find anything, so I must have mis-remembered. I have a theory which could explain Shananns ethanol and alcohol levels. No matter the circumstances he killed not 3 but 4 people including his unborn child. She is OCD and very ritualistic in nature. 5. Lastly, he lies constantly to the police, why is this self serving story all of the sudden believable? That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. Mark, that is really interesting! Its more likely the complete opposite. The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. Death by asphyxiation in each case. Shan'ann, Bella and Celeste Watts 25 Page Autopsy Report | TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek CRIME NEWS WATTS KNOX JonBenet MCCANN WM3 PENDING TOOLBOX TCRS YOUTUBE ARCHIVE He said it took minutes, the police reports say. He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) Hes asked what happened after Shannan was dead he says he carried her to their room and put her back into bed. As previously reported, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder, with a baby boy the couple had already named Niko. ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. Unfortunately, I know what its like to be strangled. He probably wanted it done quickly and in the dark so he wouldnt have to see anyones faces, anything that might make him doubt what he is doing. I actually tried this with my husband. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? I cant believe the police let them stay in there. Bella Watts Autospy Report If you cant respect others in their opinions and input, youre definitely not intelligent. You may say murder itself is cowardice, but if youre the murderer, youre taking a huge risk, and if youre an introverted murderer, youre being your version of brave by physically confronting and attacking someone. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. She didnt nick him in the neck, that mark was not from her nails. Scares me honestly. Also, the fact that he did not want her to come to Colorado with his dad so that maybe she would not be questioned? B . Her clothes were even coordinated by colour in the closet. Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. @Nick, regarding OCD. https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. Even if they appear to be dead or as the agent in this case said decapitated you call & plead for someway to help fix them. 53 102 comments sorted by New Add a Comment Jayne is an EXTREMELY experienced K9 handler she can be seen in action in the Docu-Movie Missing 411. Chris thought that she was dead? MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. And even if he did not kill them twice so to speak, he killed the on in front of the other with no thoughts to their fear levels or anything but yet you put all the blame on another of the victims. No, it doesnt. Once into the oil she gulped in the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge and died as a result of this as well as being unconscious. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. I think she was going to do what most of us who suspect our man of cheating would do, see who the server was, and go to the restaurant with a pic of Chris & ask who he was in there with. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. Chris Watts destroyed three fully formed, perfect adults. Good point! Also, I highly doubt Shanann was killed by pulling her down onto her back. But then whats your scenario? Thanks! Or perhaps Chris had one with himself by way of rationalizing killing his family, although I dont think it was emotional. He has an incredible amount of knowledge and has a lot of experience being an investigative reporter and author of many blogs and books. Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. Time needed to cause petechiae is; Fifteen to thirty seconds (Anscombe and Knight 1996); Ten to thirty seconds (Plattner et al 2005); Fifteen seconds maximum (Copley & Kozam 1951) using the capillary fragility test; Shortly after gravity inversion in healthy individuals (Friberg & Weinreb 1985) Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. What about rigormortis?. That alone speaks volumes how they were approaching their relationship. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. Also I agree much is still withhhed from the public. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! Wow, you are really reaching here. She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. This put undo pressure on the marriage and Chris being the douche bag he is, it was too much pressure to perform I beleive. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. Not as bright. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? Chris Watts attacked her from behind, his left hand around her throat and his right hand covering her mouth and nose. Same with NK. (883931) Full autopsy reports of all 3. Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. As far as the BAC goes, it had been over 100 hours from the estimated time of death to when the samples were taken at autopsy. In the majority of cases of asphyxiation, petechiae are formed, and Shanann exhibited none. Shes not going to carry her suitcase up the stairs because of her pregnant state, and she wasnt feeling well. And the decision to move Chris out of state as well? He said in his admissions that she deficated during the murder in thier bed, where he wrapped her in a sheet and moved her to the floor immediately- where he was interrupted by the girls waking up (after his first attempt to kill them by suffocating them in thier sleep)- the girls were killed in his truck CeCe was wearing a diaper, so even if she had deficated or urinated it would be unclear after days in the crude oil.. And Bella was likely not dead but simply unconscious again when he dumped her body- therefore, even if she did relax enough to evacuate her bowels and bladder- it wasnt until she was in the crude oil tank. I am doing a project for school and i would like to have a look at them. like others, cannot wrap my brain around his behavior. The children were in 20 foot tanks with hatches on top. Autopsy reports for Bella and Celeste say that the necks of the children were swabbed even though they were in a container of oil, water, and associated sludge matter. Watts pleaded guilty to murdering Shanann, Celeste and Bella to avoid the death penalty. Or do they just know? Watts was having an affair with a woman named Nichol Kessinger, and Shananns texts show he had grown cold to her. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? What is going on?? Typo. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? That is what this whole thing boils down to, Chris not wanting a divorce for the simple fact of having to pay child support on 3 kids. The two girls, Bella and Celestes bodies also had same, was noted in autopsy reports is from decomp process. It DOES NOT make her a bad mother when I comment on what I saw and what I think. Diana, this is something several of us have noted as well. Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. She should have seen my house when my kids were little. Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. didnt attempt it herself. ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. Mark your theory makes a lot of sense. Chris probably told shannan that shed never see the kids again.. Good to have a former forensic detective around. Nickole Atkinson on ABC: Shanann was very OCD One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. Attacked her from behind decision to move Chris out of state as well of.! Odd that Shanann had plenty of stockpiled around the place when she was alive after put... 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